TRICK 'R TREAT is The Halloween Movie Tradition That Keeps on Giving

In Secret Level Episode 29 we sit down to talk about one of the best Halloween horror movies ever made! The Michael Dougherty-directed film Trick ‘r Treat! Joey has been watching the movie every Halloween night since it was released on DVD in 2009, but the first time that Billy watched it was for this podcast episode! This film project had quite an interesting journey getting made and until this year, it never got a wide theatrical release! With it being the Halloween season, we wanted to do an episode on a fantastically fun horror film, and we hope you enjoy it!

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testing, testing, Testing. 1, 2, 3. Testing, testing. Am I coming in clear? I said, am I coming in clear? Welcome to the show. You're blowing my mind right now. That's what I thought. It's all about the blowing of minds, right? Yes. alright. Quick side note though. Um, notes away. You gave me the note and I was looking at it and it wasn't, uh, trick or treat from 2007. So it was. It's supposed to be released in 2007. I don't think it was. It wasn't released until 2009. I watched last night. It was funny. Don't say anything about it. We're gonna save. I won't say it. We're, We're gonna save our conversation for this podcast. No, I'm not even gonna talk in the podcast. I won't say a thing about it. well ever. It's gonna make a pretty boring podcast, my friend. Everyone's gonna shut down right now. Everyone just clicked out, Billy. Everyone just stopped listening to us right now. Crap wet. Even get this, this chance to get started. Everyone's gone. I know. I was just trying something new. Guys. Come on. It's something new. I'm just gonna be here silent while Joey talks. Have fun. For eight hours. For eight. Yes. This is our eight hour episode. It's a Halloween special. We love it. Let's garve a scary face this time. All right. Are we ready? Here we go. We're ready. We're punching in. Punching in. Punching in the clock. There we go. Time card. Time card is punched and here we go. 3, 2, 1. Hello, I'm Joey Par, editor in chief of geek tire.com and host of this podcast secret level. And joining me is the Witchy Dilly Fisher. Ah, yes, You're witchy. Yes. I'd like to call myself the co-host extraordinaire. You don't wanna be the witch co-host. Oh, of course I do. Cause we are entering the Halloween season now. Oh, definitely. Look, you can't have Halloween without trick or treat. It's true. And speaking of which, that is the movie that we are going to discuss today. We are going to discuss the 2009 classic horror anthology film, trick or treat or no, sorry. Tricker. Treat trick. No, wait, treat. Hold on. Time out. Tricker treat. Hold on. Wait. One more time. Tricker treat. Ooh, wait. Maybe one more. Hold on. That got fancy treat. Wait. No. Trick or treat. You get it? All right. All right, we're moving on now we're moving on. Here we go.. This film was written. Written and direct. shit. I'm going through puberty. All right. Finally, Yes. This movie was written and directed by Michael Doherty, and it is based on an animated short that he made back in 2004 called Seasons Greetings. And that animated short debuted his classic Halloween character, Sam. Oh Sam, The masked pajama wearing killer creature with the crazy suck. Knife. Yeah, I loved it. Loved that. He's loved that. He's a great character. So good. Such a class with the whole thing. Now this is, this movie is probably the most recent one that we've done. Like we've been talking about movies from the eighties and early nineties, and now we're just jumping into 2009. Look, it's Halloween. I wanted to talk about one of my favorite Halloween movies, which is Trick or Treat. And this one was kind of an instant classic. Yeah. Uh, and it's crazy. The story behind this movie has some crazy stuff because Warner Brothers Shit. The bed in the marketing and the releasing of it and it, it was just a mess. But since it's released in 2009, it has gained a very big following of fans. Yeah. And I have to say there's a good reason why it's unlike any other horror film we've seen to date, and I don't think anybody's been able to really capture that essence again. Exactly. I agree. And one thing I wanna point out, this is a, again, this is my fa, one of my favorite Halloween movies. Yes. I have watched it every year since it was released on Halloween night. This is the first time that Billy has seen it. Yes. I have been trying to get him to see this movie forever. And it took getting this podcast launched and doing an episode on it to get him to watch it. And I'm so, I'm very excited to. To Billy about this, see what he thought. We'll go into some details, but I definitely want to get Billy's thoughts on the film. But before we do that, Billy, how was, how was your week? It was, uh, it was a really good week. You and I got to spend time at the D 22 3 convention, which was a lot of fun. It was blast. It was blast. It was so much fun. Yeah. We're filming this a couple weeks after that. Yep. And then, um, filming, we're, we're recording this, we're not filming anything. And then, uh, with that, and then I got to come home and, I watched the rest of Killing Eve. I wa I hadn't seen the last season of Killing Eve and we just watched it. Oh really? Yes. Fascinating. sad it's over cuz it was a fantastic show. Sure. But, um, they're both moving on to bigger and better things, so, you know, more power to 'em. Nice. Yeah. What about you, Jill? What'd you, what'd you do after we got back? Uh, this week has been filled with a lot of busy work for me. Mm-hmm. just a lot of stuff. I was in the hospital a couple times this week. Uh, what a cheerleader got dropped on my daughter's head, so that was fun. Had to deal with that. I found out this week that I have like, so crazy weird carpal tunnel syndrome that I have to start doing like exercises every day with. Like for the rest of my life, so it doesn't get any worse. Oh no. Yeah. So this is, you know, I'm dealing with stuff. This is what happens when you get old, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. This, this is the whole, uh, your finger won't move thing. Yeah. My finger gets stuck and they say it's trigger finger, but then the doctor's not sure if it's trigger finger. But then while I was getting that looked at, they're like, Oh, by the way, you also have this carpal tunnels thing. Oh, nice. And that's so fun. Info. Yeah. So now I'm in physical therapy doing that whole thing. So like this week has been like a week of like, there's not a lot of fun stuff that happened this week. It's, it's gotta been a bummer of a week for me. Right. But you did get to watch Trick Treat and now we get to talk about it. I gotta watch Trick Treat. I also did get to watch, uh, another movie that, came out a couple weeks ago. If you haven't seen it yet, you should check it out. This movie is called, uh, See how they run. It's a murder mystery who done it comedy and it is great. It's got Sam Rockwell in. Sam Rockwell in it, and he's awesome. And, uh, I just, I had a blast watching it. I mean, if you like, who done it stuff? This is a good one. I really enjoyed it. Dare I say, It's, I thought I, I enjoyed it more than Knives out. Really? Yeah. I, I, wow. I really enjoyed it. It, it took the who done it thing and kind of did some little fun, twisty stuff with it and kind of broke the norm of Right. Those type of stories. So I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Well, it looks like a lot of fun. I can't wait to see it. Yes. And you should. It's gonna be good. Yes. That'll be fun. So now that, that's out of the way, and I've got my venting done on what happened to me this week, and Billy got talk about his fun week, uh, we're gonna dive right into tricker treat. Yes. So I will start off by reading the synopsis of this film. Excellent. Interwoven stories demonstrate that some traditions are best not forgotten as the residents of a small town face. Real ghosts in garlands on Halloween tales of terror revealed a consequences of extinguishing a jack lantern before midnight and a grumpy hermits encounter with a sinister trick or treater. That's it. No, I like it. That was it. Yep. like Joey said, this is the first time I've seen the movie, and I thought it played out wonderfully. Yes. I, there's a lot of homage made to a whole bunch of different horror films I've noticed in this one. It was really cool, like when you see certain things pop you up, you're like, ah. Good job on that one, And then there's some original stuff that I was like, Oh, that's really well done. Like the main, I don't know if you would call him the antagonist or the protagonist in this movie. Sam. Which is Sam, Yeah. Yeah. Sam is a, He's fantastic character. He is just the embodiment of Halloween. Yeah. Yeah. It was, He was a really well done character. I, I appreciated that. When the director was actually coming up, when the director was actually coming up with this story, the character sta the name itself is, it's explained, is derived from. Samhan. Okay. The ancient Celtic Festival of the Dead from which modern day Halloween is derived. Oh, cool. Yeah. So I thought that was fun. Yeah, that's nice. Like a kind of just pace homage to that. Mm-hmm. and just for clarification, this samhan character is not a dei or some kind of ancient Celtic bean or whatever it is. Only the name of the celebration. Okay. However, however, the idea of being either a dedi or a person, a personage, uh, dates, back to at least the late first century. And that's largely thanks to an Irish bishop named Komack Mac. And I'm going to completely butcher this last name because I have no idea how to pronounce it. coo. Mm-hmm. Cele. I'm gonna, we're gonna go with Cele. Yes. And his book, Sanus Coic, which had identified Sam as such. All right. And, sorry, so I butchered that name and I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but that, That's a rough one. That's a rough one to, Yeah, that's rough. Say sorry, Yeah, that's, that's insane. So, and he is actually, uh, the director apparently has been still trying to figure out Sam's origin and says that if they eventually get around to that sequel that was announced a long time ago, which we'll talk about later. Mm-hmm. uh, he'd love to show this character being born in a pumpkin patch. Mm-hmm. He says There's a great Charles Adams painting of a pumpkin patch, and you see hundreds of pumpkins and you see one in it's carving itself. And so that's what he wants to base Sam off of. That's how he wants to show the birth of Sam, which I think is awesome. Very cool. I'm gonna post that painting on social media so you can see it. See Yep. What he had in mind for the birth of Sam. when the director was working on this movie, he talks about how he credits a 1985 film called The Midnight Hour among his major influence while writing the script. Mm-hmm. And that is a 1985 American made for TV comedy horror film. And it had, uh, Lava Burton was in it, which I thought was kind of fun. Yeah. And it follows Teenage Halloween pranksters who revive a 300 year old witch and some of her Goul friends. That's what the movie's about. I like it. I've never seen this movie neither. So I was looking it up just a minute ago to see if I could find it. Now I have to watch this movie. Yes. Because it sounds like it could be fun. It's got Lava Burton. It, so I mean, how can it not be fun? Heck yeah. Lava Burton's the Man When the director started developing this film, I mean, it, he, he sh he directed every segment of this movie. But Uhhuh before that happened, there was a very different plan for their, the horror anthology. Okay. Early on in the development, he sent Stan Winston classic VFX artist Stan Winston. Yes. Legendary Bfx artist. Uh, his animated short. And Winston apparently jumped on board to produce the film, and he managed to get a talented group of iconic horror directors attached to it. Okay. And each of these directors would've directed a different segment of the film. Mm-hmm. some of the directors that he wanted to bring on to this project included George Romero, John Carpenter, Toby Hooper, which would've been. Yeah, those are great directors that, great horror directors. I mean, that's a, that's, You would love to do Allstar lineup of stuff. Right. Unfortunately, when they took this project out and tried to pitch it, that version of the film fell apart. They couldn't get funding because no one wanted to make that movie. No one wanted to touch it for some reason. Hmm. And with a lineup of directors, it seems like it's complete insanity that no studio wanted to be in. That seems like just like such a great classic, a great like, Hey, look at, look what we've got here. Like you've got this great story. We've got all these iconic directors lined up that wanna be a part of it. And we've got, I mean, Stan Winston was involved for crying out loud, right? I mean, but you would think the weight of George Romero and Toby Hooper would have, and John Carpent. Would've just pitched itself. They would've just been like, Yeah, go make that. Yeah. But in the end, that version of the film didn't happen. Doherty went ahead and directed the entire film himself, and I'm not complaining. I think it turned out amazing. I loved his directing style for this movie. I thought he did a wonderful job. And it really, it's, it's probably one of the best films he's made. He went on to make, uh, the Christmas horror film Craus. Mm-hmm. and he also went on to make, Godzilla King of the Monsters, which probably wasn't his best work, but you know. Studios like to mess things up with their silly ideas. Right. Well, my kids loved that movie. Oh, well. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, kids, Kids, like, kids like that stuff. Sure. Yeah. Monster movies. Sure. Yeah. Um, the one thing I did like about it, and I thought what was interesting about it is that it could be essentially played on a loop. Like if there was no end credits to it, the way it's set up. Oh yeah, for sure. I thought that was, I thought that was a nice touch. I thought there's a lot of small details in the background, So many great little details and it, and it, and there's, and they all connect to like each of the stories and stuff like that. Right. You're paying, you know, paying attention. Like one of the little things that happens is the end of the film connects with the very beginning of the film. So right at the start of the film, you can see this group of trick or treaters leaving the old man's house. Mm-hmm. and that is the group that terrorized the old guy at the end of the movie. So it's like it, Yeah. Yep. Just like you said, it's a constant loop. You could just Yep. It ends and then it starts again, Dude, and there's, there's so many shining moments in this, like, like, there's things I wanna talk about in this, but I think my favorite thing in this whole, my favorite character in the whole thing besides Sam, Sam is fantastic, but Sure. Dylan Baker's portrayal in this movie, Dude, Yes. Is so I like, I don't even know how to say it. It's just amazing and like it all, everything comes full circle in this movie. Like everything. And that's why I think it's cool that everything comes full circle. You could watch the movie in a loop. It's crazy how it all just kind of ties together. Like that dude, his story is so dark and disturbing, so dark and amazing at the same time. And funny, like, it's so crazy how you got. This guy that's just like so open and willing to murder kids. And then he's teaching his son the craft of murdering people. And, and not only that, but taking the people, decapitating them and then like carving their heads. Yeah. Like pumpkins. Like pumpkins. Like that is, that is crazy. The, what kind of dad is that? Right? Yeah. I, It's crazy. Well, I mean, it kind of got me thinking like he's also the principal of the local high school. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Yep. But it also makes me think of, was Sam like the first victim? Was Sam the first victim? No. Cuz remember Sam was born in a pumpkin batch. That Well, that's, that's the, what the art says. But I mean, cuz he's carving them. That's what I was kind of thinking. Cuz after the big reveal of Sam's face, I was like, Oh. is that, but we'll, we'll get into it. Okay. Well, so, well when, So actually, when talking about that, well first of all, there were 18 drafts to the script that were written for this movie, Holy Smokes. 18 drafts, And each of the stories of, in the script, we're supposed to represent a different stage of a person's experience with Halloween, right? And the director explains the first story with Dylan Baker and his son is about how you're introduced to the holiday. The second one with the kids is you and your friends roaming around without your parents for the first time, right? This one with Ann Anna Paquin and her friends is Halloween in your twenties when it's about sex. The final story with Brian Cox is Halloween. In your twilight years, it's the Scrooge of Halloween. And so that's how he explains how he broke it down. That makes perfect sense. Yeah. Now, this movie was originally supposed to be released in 2007. That was the original go date, and for no reason or explanation ever given. Mm-hmm. Warner Brothers decided to just pull the film from schedule. Huh. And they had no, all of a sudden there were no plans to release it. It speculated that one of the reasons might be because, Saw four was supposed to be released around the same time, and Warner Brothers didn't wanna compete with that movie. another possible reason that the film was buried was due to, possible fallout from the box office. Disappointment of Superman returns, which, Okay. Which, uh, Michael, Doherty co-wrote. Yes. So, you know, that didn't bode well. And, Brian Singer was also a producer on Trick or Treat. And so since those two were kind of like in cahoots with Trick or Treat, and their production company developed it. It was just like, maybe we don't wanna do this because Superman returns failed. But at the same time, it's like, it's a completely different genre, right? It's like Absolutely Superman returns fails, but this one has a smaller budget. It, you know, it's, it's, it's more of like an indie Halloween film than anything. It's not like you're gonna lose anything by releasing it in theaters. You're just gonna like, make money off of it. But for what, for whatever reason, it has never, ever been released in theaters. It was released on DVD in October of 2009, but it has never been released in theaters like wide release. There have been special screenings for it, and I've been to one of 'em. I went to one a few years ago at the Egyptian theater at Hollywood, which was a lot of fun for Halloween. Um, Okay. But this year, This year it is finally going to get a release in theaters, a wide, well semi wide release, which is exciting cuz finally af it's getting the theatrical release that it deserves. There's so many people that have not seen this movie on the big screen that are finally gonna get a watch it on the big screen. And that's exciting. I think this is a perfect time to do it. People are gonna be like, Well, I've seen this character before, like at Spirit, you know, the Spirit Store or whatever. Yeah, let's go see what the movie's all about. I know a lot of people that still haven't watched this movie like, like Billy here, who just watched it for the first time. There's a lot of people, like, there's a lot of Billys in the world there are that have not seen this movie that need to see this movie. It is so good. I loved it. There's just a big bag of jerks. You, you, you used to be in that big bag. Ah, got out. You crawled. Welcome to Real. You crawled your way out. Yes, we made it. Oh, but it's, it's being released, but we're gonna kind of dive into this thing and talk about some stuff. So one thing I wanna discuss, uh, Brian Cox, his character mm-hmm. is actually based on Director John Carpenter. His, the look of him is, is inspired by John Carpenter. And if you've seen the movie, you can totally, you can totally tell. Yep. Um, and that's the thing is like, this is one of those movies that if you blink, you miss it. Yes. You know what I mean? And it's when you have to pay attention to, like, you have to pay attention in, in the background. There's stuff that, I always catch something new in this movie every time I watch it. Like you get to see a moment that you've already seen, but you see it from another angle and you're like, I did not catch that. Yep. That's so cool. Yeah, exactly. Uh, one of my favorite stories in this, mm-hmm. I mean, I like all of the stories, but I think my favorite is the kids is their little journey, their little horror adventure where they take this poor girl Oh man, this is probably one of the, Hardest to watch once you realize what's happening. Yes. It's so hard to watch cuz you're just like, the story is like one of the darkest, Cause they're, I mean they're, they've got this plan going and, and throughout the, throughout the movie they're, they're collecting pumpkins for this plan. They're, they're seeing characters and stuff. At one point they go to a Halloween party where, you know, it's like a, there's a furry thing going on in there. It's like Halloween orgy thing. It's a Halloween orgy thing. so, and they, they have this elaborate plan to take her to this place where there's a legend of a bus that went off the edge of a cliff filled with, special needs kids that their parents paid off the bus driver to. Kill the kids. That's what I'm talking about. They didn't wanna deal with these kids, right? Because it was, Oh man, that broke my heart out there. It was too much of a burden on them. As the story goes, Are you ready for this? Here we go. It happened 30 years ago. On a late Halloween afternoon. A school bus was on its usual route, but this wasn't your typical school bus, and they weren't your typical kids. They were eight of them, and they were different, troubled, disturbed. Every day parents put their dirty secrets on this bus to be driven to a school miles outside of town. But that day, the driver took a different route and instead of taking the students home, he drove the bus to an abandoned rock quarry. This rock quar. The kids didn't know that over the years, their parents had become exhausted, embarrassed, and they were willing to do anything to ease their burden. So one day the parents approached the bus driver and made him an offer. With the money they collected together. They asked him to do the unthinkable. It almost worked perfectly. The driver was never heard from again. As for the bust, some say it sank so deep that it couldn't be found. Others say the town just didn't want it to be found. For all we know, it's still down there. And so are those kids. This is the only part of the movie I had trouble with cuz I was like, Man, those parents are pieces of shit. Oh man. So that they tell, tell that story early on. So you don't really know what that has to do with, but like, I was like upset, like I had an angry face while watching. I was like, it's, it's messed up. But I like the story because I like the characters. Specifically the character Rhonda, the one that they were playing the prank on. She's just such a sweet girl, but she had these jerk ass kids wanting to play this prank on her and it, it really irks you. But Rhonda just had like, embodies, like Sam Rhonda embodies the spirit of everything we love about Halloween and she's into it. She loves the Halloween season and that's why I like this character so much. She kinda reminds me of like the type of person I am. I love Halloween. I love getting like crazy into it. And so, it's, it's definitely sad to go through. But you know, Rhonda and those kids, they get their revenge Oh my goodness. So, and this is the thing too, This sweet, sweet revenge Well, my thing is, if this. She tries to help those kids so much throughout, like, throughout the setup. And she was so nice to him too. Like she's like trying to start conversations with him. I think, and what got me to is at the end is she tried to save, I forgot the little pirate kid's name. Um, Charlie, I think it was, she like, tries to protect him in that. Yes. And she's like, Stay with the lit pumpkins. That's how you're gonna stay safe. Yeah. And she, she stays so calm, like, Oh no, it's okay. It's okay. Just stay here. You'll be okay. As long as you stay by the pumpkins, you're gonna be fine. And those little assholes. But I love like the screaming in the background with the kids, Right? Yeah. And freaking out. Mm-hmm. And when Rhonda, after they like, you know, play the prank on her and then the real screaming starts and Rhonda's just like, No, you're brutal me Again, like, Yeah, exactly. Yep. And she leaves her there. And I just love the sound effects of the kids just being like, brutalized by these, by these, uh, ghostly creatures of, of, of children. Which, I mean, there's a lot of really good special effects, but the, the ghost kids. That's, They made them look like freaking madness, dude. Crazy. Right? And I, yeah, and I, the other thing I liked, are there costumes? Mm-hmm. the costumes they wore, you know, even before they were like, you know, all deaded out and stuff, right? Mm-hmm. before they were monsters. Just they're old. I love those old school costumes from back in the day. Like, you've seen those old photos, right? Like, creepy as hell. I love those. And I don't know why people don't dress like that for Halloween anymore. You gotta get those crazy paper mache, freaky masks and stuff. And like, Man, we need more people to go back to like those 1930s style, 1930s, forties, fifties style Halloween costumes. Those were awesomely scary. I think there's too many scared parents to do that for their kids. No. Freak 'em out too much. Yeah, you're right. I wish they weren't though. Uh, right. The performances, the kids that actually, Played these parts. Apparently, those actors had real disabilities or injuries and Really, Yeah. But apparently they all had a blast, being involved with the film, being involved with the shoot uhhuh and the costumes we were just talking about. Uh, they were inspired by a mix of photos from Ralph Meaty Yard and Diane Arbus, and they captured real mentally disabled children on Halloween in their own homemade costumes. And so they kind of did their research on that when, when, uh, bringing these, bringing these kids together and that's good. At least they had fun doing it. Yeah, exactly. Brian Cox. Added that, you know how he wheezed through the film? Yeah. Like his wheezing breathing. Yes. He actually added that during his segment, and that's when the director thought it would be a good idea, like to put that in the flashback sequence of the bus driver crawling out of the lake also wheezing. So you understood. Oh, that makes sense. Like these were the two, the, these, these people are the same person. Yeah. And like the scar, like they did a good job with the, the cut on the driver's face and the scar later on. That was good. It said that the school bus story was a homage. To, It's the great pumpkin Charlie Brown And Billy's shaking his head over here and laughing. Well, yeah, because that also ties into my favorite line of the whole movie. But we'll get to that, uh, later. And the scene instead of a rock quarry, the scene originally took place in a cemetery overgrown with pumpkins. Okay. Which is such a cool visual. That would be a cool mistake. And I'm kind of like, Oh, that would be awesome to see. I'm kind of sad they didn't do that cuz that is, that visual in my head just looks so cool. Right. But I think having it the way they did, because like this, when they get down to the quarry and the, the bus set up and all of that, that it's in itself, that whole scene that they set up Yeah. Was so crazy. Yep. It was so cool. Yeah, the way they set it up was great, actually. Um, in one of the scenes, with the kids on the bus, the camera pans down and at one point you can see a, bright red Plymouth Theory. Yep. Which is basically Christine John carpenter's, Christine the killer car. And while that may be a homage to another, homage to Carpenter, it was also used to symbolize that, Hey, this, this is a bad omen for these kids and they're in trouble right now. Yeah. like, like I was saying before, I'm really excited about all the stuff in the background. I wanna watch it again to catch the things that I might have missed. Yeah. But that's one, one I caught. I was like, interesting. Kind of like when, um, in the very first scene, Where you see Sam, but you don't really see Sam. You see? Yeah. And he's breathing inside of his mask. I was like, Oh, Halloween. Nice. Just like the intro from Halloween. I was like, Do you just take me back? That's awesome. Yeah. That's so cool. in one of the early drafts of the script, the school bus story originally featured a double reveal in that not only were the undead kids at the quarry a threat, but the girl they brought along to prank also turned out to be dead. So Rhonda wa they almost made her dead like that. She Right. And I'm glad they did it because what they did was, was great. the way the story played out in the end was great. Yes. It was better. Yeah. Because then it would've been, felt like at that point it would've felt played out. Like, uh, everybody's dead. Yeah. Like, cuz that, you know, before this movie was made, you had movies like The Sixth Senses that did that and, uh, Nicole Kidman's the others, uh, which is a really good movie. Like, it it is a good movie. Yeah. But yeah, I'm glad they didn't do it. I think that would've just added like a little, like, I'm trying to get you kind of thing, which the way her storyline plays out is a lot more fun. Yeah, exactly. With her just grabbing her wagon and going home just, and kind of gleefully going on. Right. I mean, and she, and I love that moment where her and Sam cross paths and they just kind of look at each other and they, it's like they have this understanding of each other. Well, she knew, she told him from the beginning, As long as you've got that Jack Landard, you're clear. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. Yep. And she knew it and she walked away cocky, like I told you, Fools So in an earlier draft of the script, there was another different story of this holler prank where the victim would not be. Introverted girl, but an annoying teenager who had played a lot of pranks, uh, to his girlfriend over the past few years. The girl would contrive and elaborate hoax along with the children that she babysat and escorted to their tricker treating. They would all lure him to a graveyard and not aquas in the film. Under the pretense of conducting a ritual to wake a dead cat, a dead. Pet cat, which belonged to one of the little boys, they would even encounter a serial killer flee from Lori in the woods after the teenager bumps his head and the prank is revealed just like Rhonda in the film, the children would realize to their horror that the ritual worked. Even the dead cat was resurrected. And the reason this sequence was probably rewritten was because it was two effects heavy, featuring a whole army of CORs and various states of a decay raising from the ground. And the mausoleum, all the children would've died. Right. And reappear is undead tricker treaters. At the end. There is no mention of the bus incident either. As a result, Mr. Creek, the old man remains alive after his encounter with Sam ultimately survives the film. That's kind of an interesting story. Yeah. I think that would've been a good addition to, But I like the stories that we got, You know what I mean? Yeah, I did too. It's almost like that could still be a story, Like we could still see something like that, like in the sequel or something. In a sequel again, if the sequel ever gets made. Right. But that's why I'm hoping that this, release in the theaters is gonna bring attention to the movie and can bring a sequel cuz it was written so Well. So I'm just gonna gotta go through some things here about the movie, Little take bits of information. Mm-hmm. when the girls are buying their costumes in the store, their princess costumes. Mm-hmm. Danielle tells her date to meet them at Sheep's Meadow. This four shadows their later reveal as Wear wolves as it plays on the, Saying of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Right. Like Yeah. They make, It's weird cuz when they're trying on their, trying on their costumes, they're saying how important it is to have the costumes. The costumes are the most important part. Yeah. And now like when I like having seen it multiple times. When you watch that scene for the first time before you knew they were wearables, what, Did you get any of that? Or were you just like, where is this story going? Or did you have some kind of so I didn't realize the whole ol thing was happening. I didn't think there were ols. I thought they were vampires. Oh, okay. I thought they were going to the vampire route. Makes sense. Cause the way they're talking about it and we have to do this, it's tradition, blah, blah blah. Yeah. I was like, I was like, okay, vampires, that's cool. But then when. Start ripping their skin off Dude, I was like, this is the best wear world transition I've seen ever. It's all practical effects. All practical effects. Oh my gosh. I've seen, and it's so brilliant and it's so awesomely, creepily done. I loved it. And here's like when her backbone ripples and you see the Just Rip Anna Packwood is amazing in this movie. I'm sorry. I love Anna Packwood in this movie also. I mean, her and her sister Danielle, those two girls were, That was well played. Yeah. But it's crazy because like that scene, I've watched it at home so many times, like every year when that scene pops up, it's like, Ah, man, I love, I love that, that exhilarating feeling of like when they like and you Got that song, that accompanied that scene where they were like all just turning in the wolves and tearing off their flesh and stuff. Uh, it was at Sweet Dreams, so just everything in that scene just clicked perfectly. And like I've, again, I've watched this movie every year at home. The year that I saw in theaters for the first time. The crowd just went wild, like everyone was cheering and clapping. And I really hope that when this movie opens back up at theaters, that the, the audience is gonna be like that engaged again to be, to see this on the big, like see that scene play out on the big screen cuz it's so fun. It's so fun. Very playful and bloody disturbing, very bloody playful, disturbing all, all of the above Yeah, it was good. The kid with the lollipop in his mouth, the one who's like peeking in and watching the girls in the changing rooms Uhhuh. So that kid, uh, his name is Quinn Lord, and he was the same kid behind the Mask of Sam Oh, cool. In the movie. So he got likes of actual FaceTime in there. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. Uh, in earlier cuts, you know, you talk about your, when you talk about like Dylan Baker being, I'd say, what, is that your favorite character in this movie, would you say? Yeah, I mean, I just, I like his, I like his story arc in it because it has, he's so, he has a way of being just the perfect bad guy, cuz you would look at him and you're like, Oh, look at that. He's Ned Flanders. And then next thing you know, he straight up calmly talks to a kid that he just poisoned and is dying in his arms. I'm like, you know, and it's funny because that sequence. Where he carries the dead kid in Well. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I might be demented in the head, but when that kid throws up just like all over the floor, I just can't help but laugh That's so bad of me, I think. I don't know. Um, but I mean, it's just so, I mean, the trickery in it is so immense because he's talking to him, Hey, just eat that candy. Let's talk. I'm gonna carve this pumpkin while you eat some more candy. And then he is like, Oh, you're dying. Cool. He's like, That's, And then after his days, like, That's right, there's another tradition, a very important one. Always check your candy Yep. And then, yeah, he takes him in. And then just through the whole time, the, the burial. Um, I did have a question for you. Yeah. Cuz the kid comes up, he's not in a costume. No, but But he's burying his body on top of another one. Yeah. He's burying that. It's still alive by the way. That's still alive. There's a kid, the kid's arm, there's a dead kid in the pit already that he's dug like he's not done killing kids for the night. Right. So just, just insane to me. And then he beats him with shovel to beats him to death with a shovel. Oh my gosh. So bad. So bad. I'm sitting there and then he is yelling at his kid, Billy, and like, he's making fun of his kid. He's mocking his kid and he does all that. And then telling his kid to like, Be quiet, I'll get to you when I'm good and ready. And I love that whole thing where it plays like, I'm gonna kill my kid. Right, right. Like the whole, that whole story arc right there is like, his kid doesn't know what he's doing. He's trying to hide it from him. Uh, and then he is like, Feels like his kid is just annoying the hell out of him to the point where he is like, I'm gonna kill my kid, pulls out the knife, you know? Right. He's like, Come help me carve the pumpkin I need, And I especially need help with the eyes, you know, that whole thing. Yeah. And you think that like, you know, and it's funny because when my, when my, uh, wife first saw this movie and you see the hand go up and he just comes down and stabs like the kids in front of him. So you're like, you think he stabs the kid? My wife was just like, I'm done watching this movie. He's like, I'm done. I can't, I can't do it. And then, and then it comes, you know, then. Comes out and pans out and you see that he just stabbed the head of the kid that was dead already on this carving table. Right. And then it's like, Oh, okay, I could still watch it now. Like, like that isn't bad, bad enough. There's still, there's still dead kids here, Right, Right. And you're, you're teaching your kid to cover out the ice. Like his whole story plays through the whole movie. Like you see him in the background in the whole movie. And then what happens to him in the Wol orgy? I was like, Perfect. All the way through. Yeah. Like, and then, Then his son Billy's sitting out front in the same exact outfit that his dad was wearing earlier when he killed the kid. Yeah. I was like, Ah, amazing Good job. Amazingly dark. Yeah. There's a lot that goes on. I don't wanna give it all away, but yes. Just the, the, uh, his whole storyline, Dylan Baker's storyline throughout the whole thing. I was like, He makes his demise. And if you've seen the movie, you know what that is. I love the demise of the character. It's so great. Uh, it's funny though, because the studio actually pressured, Doherty to remove the scene where Dylan Baker's character carries the kid that he just poisoned into his foyer and he had, he, he had to fight to keep it in. He says, I fought like a mother effort to get that back into the movie. They wanted it cut more for its comedic sensibilities than its content, as they briefly toyed with the idea of making this a straightforward horror movie. Mm-hmm. But yeah, he, he wasn't having it. Luckily he won that fight. It's necessary for the, the scenes to continue. Yeah. Every single death in the movie occurs off camera. That's so true. Or like they cut away right when they Yep. Do it. Yeah. The deaths are either obstructed by something or the camera cuts away right before a character dies. Mm-hmm. is something that horror movies rarely do, but it's great cause it leaves things to the imagination and that's where things are the most terrifying when you let your imagination take over. Right. And, and you're, you're just gonna imagine the worst. Yep. You know? They couldn't use any recognizable candy wrappers because all of the candy of this film was either poisoned or filled with razor blades. So they had to create their own instead, which was, and which they said was kind of fun because we came up with stuff like big fudge log Yeah. I guess that, yeah. I guess they don't wanna snickers in their poisoning people. Yeah, I get it. But you know, Yeah, it's, it's interesting, The whole candy poison thing is like one of those. Things that like came out of the eighties, man, just during that, during that time. And, and which is funny, I remember watching a documentary on that, like, on that, uh, scare the, you know, the, the fear parents had at the time through that. Right. And it is something that hardly ever happened. Like there are, like, maybe there was one instance mm-hmm. uh, that dealt with a father poisoning his own kid. Right, right, right. Like, have you heard that story? Yeah. Yeah. And but that was just enough. That was just enough. It was just enough. Yeah. But, but strangers doing it. I, and I was, I remember like my parents always being like, you know, Yeah, check your candy, stuff like that. But there's never anything wrong with it. And I've never, there's never been any stories of, That happening like since this big fear in the eighties, you know what I mean? Right. At least. Yeah. And least ones I haven't heard of, but I guess better safe than sorry. Might as well. I mean, I gotta test, taste test most of it. Yeah. It's the best way to be. It is. It is definitely Um, but I, I kind of back to the candy. I like that they use their own cuz it makes it its own world. Like they, there's, it's like a parallel universe, like to ours. Yes. So I, I I like that. I like that it's self contained. So they could just go anywhere with it. Yeah, exactly. Uh, the fight scene between salmon and Craig involved an eight year old stump performer as well as an adult stunt. I didn't know there were eight year old stump performers out there, Meer. But they found out, I mean there was, there's always that kid in elementary school that could do back flips cuz gymnastics so I'm sure that's probably what it was. Yeah, exactly. Uh, most of the Jack lands in the movie were made out of either foam or ceramic. There was an onset joke that no pumpkins were harmed during the making of the movie That's kind of funny cuz there's a lot of 'em in there. There are so many pumpkins and I love all the pumpkin carvings in there. Right. Every year for Halloween, when I do a pumpkin carving, I find something from that movie and like kind of emulate it for myself Right When I do it. Pumpkin cuz there's just so many cool designs to see check out. Yeah. Anna Pack one's character. Lori is named after Lori St. Strode from Halloween. Right. The Where Wolf transformation by the campfire is a nod to the how the 1981 film, Uh oh. It so is. Yeah. The Where Wolf Transformations are done practically. there's some CGI enhancements, but not Oh, yeah, yeah. Uh, because, Doherty explained that he knows that full CGI transformations don't always look the best, which is true. They do. That's very true. Not practical is always the way to go when doing ols. Right. All the wear worlds of the film were created by the same studio that. Created lichens for the Underworld trilogy, which is cool. Yep. There's a scene in the film where Anna Pack Quinn's character is like, there's a fearful look on her face. Mm-hmm. She is completely scared. This is around a 50 minute mark of the movie, and it's explained that this is a very, very genuine scare as the director literally screamed unexpectedly to frighten her. She did not appreciate it at first. but she soon came around on how it made her performance more authentic because she actually really looks scared. Right. I appreciate those kinda scares in movies at the Campfire. Mm-hmm. right before the girls turn into ols, a hotdog costume can be seen in the background. This implies that the kids coach who is at, who is seen at Miss Henderson's party, is now a victim of the werewolves. Right. Ms. Henderson must have like some crazy parties with the teacher. What are teachers doing in this movie? And they're just letting off some Steam. Bud you know, they gotta deal with these kids every day of the week. they're just letting it go for a little bit. The film went through a few different title changes before the movie ended up being called Trick or Treat. Some of those titles included Seasons Greets, which was the title of the short film that Doherty made, and it was changed because it sounded too much like a Christmas movie. And so then they called it Halloween Terrors. There was another title, Jacko Lantern Tales, October the 31st. Mm and Trick or Treat. Okay. And they ended up landing on Trick or Treat. Right. The final title was kept. But since there was already a movie of the same name out, they changed the spelling to trick or treat instead of trick or treat. Ah, gotcha. So I like the way they have it though. I like, I like the actual title of film. I think they landed on the right title. Right? Yeah, no, it has the effect because that's essentially what it's about in more ways than one. Yep. There is a nod to the thing in the film. Uh, when Mr. Creek says, You've gotta B Fing. Kidding me. When he sees, uh, the part of the Sam Hits hand opera, you know, kind of running around on the ground by itself, independently from its body, that's a nod to a similar scene from John Carpenter's. The thing which the director is obviously a fan of, the candy bar that Sam uses to attack the old man is the same candy bar that he got from the principal. Earlier in the movie, the principal put razor blades in the chocolate bars that he handed out because that's what principles do. Yeah. I mean, don't had enough their don't take from your principal. That should be the lesson here. Don't your principles on Halloween. Yes. Kids should not be taking candy from their principles on Halloween. The gumball rolling down the stairs as a nod to the changeling. Okay. 1980 horror movie. Mm-hmm. And it turned out that the cameraman working on this sequence also filmed the ball scene in the change Lane. Nice. This was one of his first, which was one of his first gigs in the movie business. Gotcha. Kind of fun. Yeah. The blood used to show Emma's demise beneath the sheet was boiled right before filming, so it would steam. That's kind of a cool effect though. I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. I liked that whole, that opening sequence. The film was so good, man. Right. I just, I enjoyed that, that like, that set the tone for the whole movie, set the tone, and you're just like, Oh, I am 100% in, I mean, and it's, This is a Halloween movie, right? Absolutely. They played that trickery on you. You didn't know what you're actually gonna get. Yep. Exactly. Rhonda's house was modeled after the Whites resident in the 1976. Stephen King filmed Carrie. Nice. In particular, it was inspired by a scene towards the end of the classic film where the house was lit by a number of candles in the windows. This foreshadows the scene in which Rhonda, much like Carrie, seeks revenge on her tormentors after a prank gone wrong. There you go. That should explain it. All right there. Exactly. The editing of the film was described as a quote, brutal process. Quote Hell Well, yeah, cuz man, they had so much going on in the background. Yeah. And it's explained that I believe it's Doherty who says, I wish We did do a special addition, which allowed you to watch the stories by themselves. So have each story kind of its own thing. Uh, its own sequence instead of like intermingling it together. But I liked how it, everything crossed over. Right. I loved how the stories crossed over with each other because it made the movie interesting to follow and to see like the Chris crosses of characters and stuff like that throughout the film. It's just a lot of fun. Yeah. And I think that's the, the fun of it. Cuz at the end then you understand the sequence of events. You knew what happened when, and you're like, oh, little do they know what's gonna happen later on. That kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. James Marsden makes a voice cam in the movie. What? Yep. At the 59 minute mark. Mm-hmm. On tv there is a show that is talking about the history of Halloween candy. Okay. The narrator of that show is James Marson. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. Now in one scene, Creek calls 9 1 1 for help. Mm-hmm. And he's put on hold. Yes. And when he, That chick couldn't believe him. I know. And when he is put on hold, we are hearing a piano cover of John Williams. Can you read my mind from the 1978 film? Superman. Nice. The director said, I don't know how we got the rights to that Hey, all you have to do is ask whatever works. Just do it right. Uh, there's a few little interesting things like, I don't know if you caught some of the little goofs in the movie. Okay. but Sam's Burla mask that goes from the mouth being sewn mm-hmm. and it, at some point it's just wri. Right. When he is like fighting cre. Right. But then it, like, after he is done, it's, it's fine throughout the rest of the movie. Yeah. But we're gonna play that up to, um, he's a supernatural being so he can pretty much do what all he wants. Totally. Is. Yeah. Now, the one that I always had a problem with though, is when Creek falls down the stairs. Mm-hmm. the stairs are loaded with razor blades, nails, you name any dangerous ob small object. Right. He it glass, all that stuff. He falls down the stairs. It is like in his fingers. It is in his hands. It is in his feet. It is gross. And it always makes me cringe. It also makes me cringe when he gets sliced in the achilles's tendon. Ah, the fall back to pet cemetery. No. Good thing comes from being sliced on your, the ankle. Yeah. When you're Achilles is sliced, you've done knee heel. Ugh. Yeah. That's the worst. Absolutely. That's the worst. I don't even need to go throughout to know that it's the worst pain ever. Um, but after he goes through all that, like at one point he is like trying to put shotgun shells in the shotgun and he can't do it. Right. Can he's can't do it. Uh uh. But then like a couple minutes later, like everything's. Oh, you can fight like a champ. He can walk around, he can walk around as a keely's tendon. Isn't, isn't, isn't busted up anymore. He doesn't have the bloody fingers anymore. He healed pretty quick, right? Yeah, he did. I kind of like, if I have one thing that I'd have to point out, I wish they would've kept him in like brutal pain with all that stuff throughout that sequence. Yeah. Instead of making all that stuff just magically go away. Yeah. That would've been more fun. But I mean, it also sets up what happens at the end. Like he thinks he got away. Well, it thinks he got and, and you could see that like he's all band bandage up now. He's fixed, he's taken care of, right? Yeah. Yes sir. So I kind of wanna talk about a sequel for a minute because this movie was supposed to get a sequel. Okay? It was announced years ago that this, that a sequel was going to happen. And then just nothing just died. Just died, Okay? Legendary Pictures was gonna do it. They made this big announcement. I was there, I was at the special screening. Uh, the, the president of. Legendary pictures was there. You had Michael Doherty there, uh, Riot Singers showed up and they all were there to announce that trick or treat two is happening. Like, okay. It was green lit and then we never heard anything from it again. But when talking about the sequel, Doherty said, It's funny because when I first dreamt up the idea making the first of my thought, how neat would it be if we made them into a series? I'm a firm believer that October should be filled with Halloween movies or mm-hmm. horror movies. That's something I remember for my childhood horror movies and Halloween, they go hand in hand. And so the idea was, We could possibly do a trick or treat movie every year or every other year, and that it would sort of just be a new batch of stories and characters. And the common link between all of them would be Sam. And initially that was the plan. And then things changed as the first film had a very delayed, strange journey. I put those dreams on hold for a little while, so it feels good to be back to that initial plan. I think it'd be great to make it a trilogy at least. So fingers crossed for me, I think every film should explore a different aspect of Halloween. I felt like the first. Was the very traditional suburban Halloween that we all have some memories of. But as I've grown up over the years, I've lived everywhere from Columbus, Ohio to New York to la and I find that the holiday is very different depending on where you live or even time periods. I don't see why we shouldn't be limited to just present day stories. Halloween is an amazing holiday because it evolves depending on where you live and the time period. And he says, I think we'll shake it up a bit. There are different archetype. I'd like to explore different types of monsters. We covered wear woos, vampires, and zombies, but there's a whole slew of different creatures out there that we haven't tackled. And I think Sam would probably be pretty good buddies with. So I think it's time to let them have their time in the sun and they should, like, I love this idea, like we should, The fact that we haven't had any trick or treat sequels all these years is just baffling to me. Well, like, like we've been saying this whole time, this is the first time I saw it, so I'd be okay with them happening now. Like I do think there's, um, here's the thing, there's things we haven't seen. Here's the thing though. Billy had they all, all these years, had they been doing, let's say, say they did one every other year, had that happened, You probably would've watched the first one already. You probably would've got, Yeah, probably a sequel would've come out. I should probably watch the first one before I watched the sequel. Right, right. But see, here's the difference. See, when you saw you own the movie, so you watched it all the time. Yeah. I never could catch it on anything streaming. I couldn't catch it on anything playing it like HBO or anything like that. So I actually just had to buckle down and rent it So, um, but it was, it was a fun movie. It's fun, Something fun that you could play in the background while you're handing out candy to kids that are coming through. Yeah. Heck yeah. And like, like you said, there's so many other. Halloween stories to explore. Yeah. You know, I mean, and I love, I love playing with different time periods specifically. I think that is a very cool thing cuz I would love to see a Halloween movie set in the thirties, a Halloween movie set in the forties, fifties, sixties. Like give me Halloween movies. Like there's set in different eras and like even right now, like had this been, had they been able to do this, they probably would've caught up. And like by now, with the eighties being as popular as it is right now, like with that whole rad core thing, that would be total, you probably probably have it eighties version of Trick or Treat this year. You know what I mean? Yeah. And the, that's, that's the genius of Sam's design because he would fit in, in any of those eras Exactly. The way way he's designed will, like, they'd be like, Hey, there's scarecrows. Yep. Throughout time we can use that. I'm, I, I'm very bummed out that a sequel has not happened yet. I think there's a good thing here. I think there's a good franchise here to build on. It's been here for a long time, the director did offer an update, the most recent update on the sequel. He said when he was asked about it in an interview he said, oh man, it's that time of year. I feel like that's become the new Halloween tradition. Ask Mike about trick or Treat two. Listen, I'm intrigued by the idea and it's completely up to legendary. It's been a few years since we initially talked about it and, and there's been a regime change since then. They still have the property, they still love it and there's still a long line of merchandise and continuing line of comic books based on the film. But the ball is in their court the moment they say they're interested and ready to go. We'll see if the Stars align. Yeah, pretty much sums it up. So I guess Warner Brothers does he just, So right there he explains Legendary has it. So I guess, I don't know. Yeah, we'll see. But it is, there is so much like, like I said before, you can find Sam costumes at Spirit every year. Like I still have yet to see a kid wearing one, but they're there and then there's the animatronics that you can buy. It's, it's something that they can make a lot of, lot of money off of. They're still making money off of it. Yeah, no, I mean, so much more if they brought out more, if they did, you know, now after I read all those quotes and they, you know, Dory has these amazing plans for it, these great concepts and things like that, he. Goes on to say at the same time, I think there's something to be said about not equalizing it in a business that is obsessed with franchising and spinoffs and prequels and sequels. Maybe there's something to be said about just leaving it alone. And to that, I have to say no. If there is a franchise that needs to be built upon, it is tricker treat because Halloween needs movies like this, right? We need movies like this, so, No, no, I know you're trying to like make yourself feel better for like not being able, not being able to make the sea, but no, you have to fight for that sequel because we need more of these movies. Well, yeah, cuz then it's gonna open it up to more tears that you can use during the Halloween season. Like, uh, new looking, like opening people's eyes to new ways of looking at like the Mummy or. Frankenstein's Monster or something like that. They have so many options that they could bring into this that would just be reimagining of it. I think it would be really cool. I've been really looking forward to recording this episode. I'm glad that we got a chance to do it. I'm glad that I finally got Billy to watch Trick or Treat I love this movie. I'm happy that he has seen it and we can now share in its awesomeness. And if you've seen it, you know, if you haven't seen it, I don't know why you probably didn't even listen to this podcast. If you haven't seen it and you did listen to the podcast, go, go watch the movie. And if you're not a horror fan, because I know a lot of people that are not horror movie fans, right. But this movie is, it's a, it's a horror movie, but first and foremost, it is a Halloween movie. It is like the spirit of Halloween. And even if you don't like horror movies, there is, This is a movie you will love. I'm talking to you free you, I think you'd appreciate this story, but yeah, I, I, I think peop this is like one of those movies that I think anyone can enjoy. It's rated R for obvious reasons. It is brutal. It is dark, it is gritty. It is bloody, It is gory. It is violent. Uh, kids die Oh man. But yeah, they don't hold back. But it's, but it's Halloween. It's a good fun Halloween movie that you just can't help but just watch and enjoy on Halloween night. I don't know. Just why not? Because why not Billy? What is like. What is your favorite quote of the movie, Billy? Give me your favorite quote and then, and then I want you to share any other thoughts that you have on this movie Okay. That you didn't get to share while we were talking about this. Cause I wanna hear like what you thought. Okay. So, Well, here's the thing, uh, before we get to my quote, cause a quote's, the last thing I'm gonna say, cuz that thing, it just, it's still crashing me up. I've been thinking about it ever since I saw the movie But, um, I think what I like so much about this movie is that, it's really about, like, that's why I can't decide whether Sam is a protagonist or the antagonist in this. Yeah. Uh, because it's all about. Than coming full circle. Yes. Like you're going to reap what you sew kind of thing. And I think there's only one bitter killer in the whole thing. And I think that's the very first one cuz she smashes the pumpkin or, or turns out the light on the pumpkin. Yep. After she just told not to. Yep. So, but all the rest of them are, it's uh, it's all full circle and I think that's a really cool movie. I think that's what the whole thing is about is everything, comes back to you. So. Awesome. I thought that was really cool. Like that. I just like the whole imagery that they had in it and that everybody's connected in this whole story even though they don't know it. Yeah. Type of thing. Yep. Um, and then of course my favorite quote is from, Steven Dylan Baker's character talking to Billy. Okay. While he is trying to bury the, the body in the back and he goes, Billy, Gosh, Charlie Brown and outta nowhere. He just goes, Billy goes, Charlie Brown's an asshole and walks away. I was like, Yeah, that's, that's hilarious. Like, I don't know why he thinks he's an asshole, but it was just hilarious to me. What about you, Jo? Do you have a quote that you like, so, yeah, one of my favorite quotes from the movie actually comes from, Dylan Baker's character as well, and it's when he is sitting there talking with the kid that he's about to poison, or he is in the process of poisoning. He's sitting there watching him eat candy, he says, Smashing Jack lanterns stealing candy. It's okay. Believe it or not, I was just like you when I was a kid that is until my dad set me straight. That is, see, my dad taught me tonight is about respecting the dead because this is the one night that the dead and all sorts of other things roam free and pay us a visit. All these traditions, Jack lands, putting on costumes, handing out treats. They were started to protect us, but nowadays no one really cares. It's so true. Oh man. And then I like Billy's like when, so there's so many good quotes. Uh, Billy, like when they have the kids' head on, Carving table. He looks up at his dad's like, Let's carve a scary face this time. uh, kid is creepy as though guess if there wasn't creepy enough thing there. Right? It creepy as if it wasn't bad enough. Mr. Creek also has some good quotes in this video. Yes, he does. He's so bitter. He's so, he's so funny. when he's, when he is yelling at Steven across the way, when Steve, when Steven, which is, uh, Dylan Baker's character is burying the body. Mm-hmm. he yells over to him because it's, it's like there's a smell coming from his house. It's obviously the smell of dead kids. Right. And steven says that the septic tank is backed up, and then Mr. Creek says, Then fix it. It stinks like a dead whore out here. Oh man. Mr. Creek was great. He was a great, he's a great character. Oh. And then there's that great part where Mr. Krieg is like, What are you doing over there? Hiding bodies, And that's exactly what's happening, sir. Anyway. All right. Can you think of any others? No. I mean, those are my favorite ones, man. Those are the ones I like. All right. Well, that's it. That's our podcast for Trick or Treat. Thank you for listening. Thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it. We got some more horror movies coming up through the month of October, uh, because you know it's Halloween, so stay tuned to see what those are gonna be. We're very excited. We got a cool lineup of movies that we we're gonna talk about that we think you'll enjoy. Don't forget to follow us on Facebook and Twitter are call sign is at GT secret level. You follow us there. We post stuff. All kinds of things. Give us suggestions, please give us suggestions, leave reviews, hit us up. Actually it's, it's great. People are like reaching out to us right now and it's, it's been fun to see that we're getting some positive feedback. So it's, it's, it's awesome. We're, we're glad. We'll keep it up. Are people out here enjoying this? 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